I suspected you might! 50/50 chance of being to Ben's liking too.
Sneaky way of forcing me to listen... ;-) Accurate odds too, having done so. I like the interesting, wandering, ambient aspects of it. The more funky bits I nearly like. I almost always welcome flute. And I like the drumming. Other aspects sounded too shapeless and indulgent for me. Probably about 50/50 in terms of my liking it. Thanks. Would probably never have experienced that without your recommendation.
I suspected you might! 50/50 chance of being to Ben's liking too.
Sneaky way of forcing me to listen... ;-) Accurate odds too, having done so. I like the interesting, wandering, ambient aspects of it. The more funky bits I nearly like. I almost always welcome flute. And I like the drumming. Other aspects sounded too shapeless and indulgent for me. Probably about 50/50 in terms of my liking it. Thanks. Would probably never have experienced that without your recommendation.
How are you on early 70s electric Miles Davis?
My understanding is that I very much prefer his earlier (late 50s) stuff. I have a recollection of hearing some of his electric stuff and finding it inaccessible and excrutiating. That was probably 25 years ago. Happy to revisit if you have a specific recommendation. :-)
I suspected you might! 50/50 chance of being to Ben's liking too.
Sneaky way of forcing me to listen... ;-) Accurate odds too, having done so. I like the interesting, wandering, ambient aspects of it. The more funky bits I nearly like. I almost always welcome flute. And I like the drumming. Other aspects sounded too shapeless and indulgent for me. Probably about 50/50 in terms of my liking it. Thanks. Would probably never have experienced that without your recommendation.
How are you on early 70s electric Miles Davis?
My understanding is that I very much prefer his earlier (late 50s) stuff. I have a recollection of hearing some of his electric stuff and finding it inaccessible and excrutiating. That was probably 25 years ago. Happy to revisit if you have a specific recommendation. :-)
I would have agreed with you when I first heard it. It took me, perhaps 20 years before I really appreciated Bitches Brew (probably the start of his incendiary 1970-75 period, although it came out in 1969). In particular, I remember the horror of first hearing On The Corner a few years later, in my early 20s.
But 40 years later, people are still figuring out what it was all about. Musicians still use it as starting off point for what seems cutting edge today. As much as I love Miles' two great quintets and Birth of the Cool, it's the 70s music that just keeps on giving.
As to where to let you in gently, I'll have to give it a bit of thought...
Sometimes music can be profoundly affecting. This did it for me today. Via some meditation, this piece had a resetting effect on my state of well-being. I don't for a minute expect anyone else to experience the same with this particular tune. But, I do hope that as many of you as possible have something in your own collections that does it for you. :-)
With Viktor Krauss (singer Alison Krauss' brother) on bass and Jim Keltner on drums. If you have to drift off into Americana, these are the guys to do it with.
I never quite got Ornette's music the first time I heard it. That was from the great quartet with Don Cherry, and this electric band, the precursor of Prime Time.
I love this album now. What sounded somehow thin and lacking in depth to begin with now sounds rich and indispensable.
Bill Laswell, Derek Bailey, Jack DeJohnette & DJ Disk - Transmutations
Derek Bailey. The most 'difficult' guitarist I've ever heard. In the 70s and 80s in London, he rarely made sense to me. It was only when he started playing with New York musicians like Laswell and John Zorn late in his life that I realised Bailey was merely ahead of his time.
His weird chords and vicious slashings just make so much sense in this kind of environment. You can hear where Mary Halvorson got some of her approach from, and there's even some Marc Ribot in there.
It's such a shame this isn't complete, so I'll be looking for more on YT.
Especially for Ben, who I promised to dig out some electric Miles for. I'm not you'll like this, but it's unbelievable stuff just as the band is going from its rock/white stage into its later funk/black stage. The music is less of a cauldron than it later became, but it's still pretty damn hot!
Ornette Coleman Quartet - Music Inn, Rome 1974 or 75
Here's a rarity. Ornette, just before he went electric (starting with that tune that ended up on Dancing In Your Head). He's added James Blood Ulmer on guitar to an acoustic trio with Billy Higgins on drums and Sirone (Norris Jones) on bass.
Some of the greatest reggae ever made, IMHO. Perhaps the best lyrical mind ever applied to the genre - Johnson is a poet and journalist. And Dennis Bovell's Dub Band are brilliant.
Dug out some vintage Satriani tonight, was playing Not Of This Earth album and was reminded of demo-days.
The track below is a great test for dynamics and transients for your system. If particularly capable in that area the snare strikes (I think they are a sampled piccolo snare) and later flams of same really have some serious attack. It was the first time I heard anything other than a low frequency thump me in the chest! (Top of the range Exposure amps & Roksan of the day but can't remember the speakers....Doh!)
Moved on to his second album now......What?......another? Oh OK then
There's an ongoing backgroud sample about the illusion of objectivity in this one (Disrupt "Bomb 20"). Sounds like it's from some old sci-fi movie. I'd be very grateful, and impressed, if anyone can indentify from where the sample was taken...
Easy peasy! Dark Star, even the track name comes from the movie "Thermostellar Bomb #20". If you haven't seen it DO. It's an excellent, slightly trippy, science fiction movie.
I eventually got around to watching "Dark Star".
It's various scenes kept me interested, if not actually amused, and I enjoyed it's general low-budget-but-very-creative quirkiness. Of course, I was waiting to get to the sample, so that kept my interest too.
There's an ongoing backgroud sample about the illusion of objectivity in this one (Disrupt "Bomb 20"). Sounds like it's from some old sci-fi movie. I'd be very grateful, and impressed, if anyone can indentify from where the sample was taken...
Easy peasy! Dark Star, even the track name comes from the movie "Thermostellar Bomb #20". If you haven't seen it DO. It's an excellent, slightly trippy, science fiction movie.
I eventually got around to watching "Dark Star".
It's various scenes kept me interested, if not actually amused, and I enjoyed it's general low-budget-but-very-creative quirkiness. Of course, I was waiting to get to the sample, so that kept my interest too.
There's an ongoing backgroud sample about the illusion of objectivity in this one (Disrupt "Bomb 20"). Sounds like it's from some old sci-fi movie. I'd be very grateful, and impressed, if anyone can indentify from where the sample was taken...
Easy peasy! Dark Star, even the track name comes from the movie "Thermostellar Bomb #20". If you haven't seen it DO. It's an excellent, slightly trippy, science fiction movie.
I eventually got around to watching "Dark Star".
It's various scenes kept me interested, if not actually amused, and I enjoyed it's general low-budget-but-very-creative quirkiness. Of course, I was waiting to get to the sample, so that kept my interest too.
There's an ongoing backgroud sample about the illusion of objectivity in this one (Disrupt "Bomb 20"). Sounds like it's from some old sci-fi movie. I'd be very grateful, and impressed, if anyone can indentify from where the sample was taken...
Easy peasy! Dark Star, even the track name comes from the movie "Thermostellar Bomb #20". If you haven't seen it DO. It's an excellent, slightly trippy, science fiction movie.
I eventually got around to watching "Dark Star".
It's various scenes kept me interested, if not actually amused, and I enjoyed it's general low-budget-but-very-creative quirkiness. Of course, I was waiting to get to the sample, so that kept my interest too.
Thanks again CJ.
B-)
"Silent Running" next then!
Ah, Silent Running was the first dvd I ever bought!
There's an ongoing backgroud sample about the illusion of objectivity in this one (Disrupt "Bomb 20"). Sounds like it's from some old sci-fi movie. I'd be very grateful, and impressed, if anyone can indentify from where the sample was taken...
Easy peasy! Dark Star, even the track name comes from the movie "Thermostellar Bomb #20". If you haven't seen it DO. It's an excellent, slightly trippy, science fiction movie.
I eventually got around to watching "Dark Star".
It's various scenes kept me interested, if not actually amused, and I enjoyed it's general low-budget-but-very-creative quirkiness. Of course, I was waiting to get to the sample, so that kept my interest too.
Thanks again CJ.
B-)
"Silent Running" next then!
Ah, Silent Running was the first dvd I ever bought!
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I have a recollection of hearing some of his electric stuff and finding it inaccessible and excrutiating. That was probably 25 years ago. Happy to revisit if you have a specific recommendation. :-)
I'll take the mechanical stairs before it escalates yet more (....I can hear you groaning
I don't for a minute expect anyone else to experience the same with this particular tune. But, I do hope that as many of you as possible have something in your own collections that does it for you. :-)
"That man in the suit robbed that man with the flute,
But he did that robbery legally..."
=D>
The track below is a great test for dynamics and transients for your system. If particularly capable in that area the snare strikes (I think they are a sampled piccolo snare) and later flams of same really have some serious attack. It was the first time I heard anything other than a low frequency thump me in the chest! (Top of the range Exposure amps & Roksan of the day but can't remember the speakers....Doh!)
Moved on to his second album now......What?......another? Oh OK then
Yeah. I'm enjoying. It's tranquil and pretty understated Id say. Some lovely gentle guitar work.
"Silent Running" next then!
B-)
"Silent Running" next then!
Ah, Silent Running was the first dvd I ever bought!